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PGT: Dr Uberoi, perhaps people like Dr Mashelkar are a minority in the scientific community, but would you say that Indian scientists really rise upto the challenge when they are confronted with some sort of external pressure, you know, it could be a threat of nuclear warfare, from China or Pakistan, or it could be when America or some other country is depriving the country of some technology?

Dr Uberoi: You mean international competition can stimulate national teamwork… That, I think, is certainly true, and I am hoping that it will also lead to a revival of interest in native systems of understanding nature, and the applications of traditional science and technology of India, not simply in terms of adding to the pharmacopia of medicine by bringing in Ayurved, but I mean in harnessing the kinds of talents that have lain dormant. And here I think, Dr Mashelkar will perhaps agree, or perhaps not, that we should think about science and technology separately, the point to be made about science is that there are hopeful signs, there are categories of population like women who are coming forward in the university. I see, in mathematics, in the hard sciences, in very much larger numbers that we expected.